1 00:00:20,249 --> 00:00:18,060 all right today we welcome Greg Karl 2 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:20,259 with the skeptic Oh Greg is the creator 3 00:00:26,550 --> 00:00:22,990 and host of the higher side chats 4 00:00:28,980 --> 00:00:26,560 podcast a popular and very influential o 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:28,990 media kind of thing that explores all 6 00:00:33,810 --> 00:00:30,970 manner of things that most people would 7 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:33,820 lump into that category we so lovingly 8 00:00:41,729 --> 00:00:38,080 call conspiracy theory and since Greg 9 00:00:44,069 --> 00:00:41,739 lives right here in San Diego as I do I 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:44,079 have the great pleasure of having Greg 11 00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:46,450 sitting right across the table from me 12 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:48,879 and this is really cool I've never done 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:51,460 this so I don't know how it's gonna go 14 00:00:55,529 --> 00:00:53,890 we might lined up at blows or you know 15 00:00:56,340 --> 00:00:55,539 you might see a fight my fight make 16 00:00:57,900 --> 00:00:56,350 breakouts 17 00:01:01,950 --> 00:00:57,910 anything could happen here that's what 18 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:01,960 makes it great so Greg first off it's so 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:03,550 great to have you thanks so much for 20 00:01:11,249 --> 00:01:08,530 joining me on skeptic oh great although 21 00:01:12,749 --> 00:01:11,259 that mutual admiration society stuff so 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:12,759 where I thought we might start because I 23 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:15,250 haven't really heard this in any of the 24 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:17,200 interviews I've listened to that you've 25 00:01:20,850 --> 00:01:18,640 done the couple that you've done or in 26 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:20,860 the interviews that you've given is you 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:22,960 know what was the first conspiracy what 28 00:01:28,859 --> 00:01:25,450 was the first thread on that sweater 29 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:28,869 that you pulled that kind of started you 30 00:01:35,460 --> 00:01:32,920 down this path well I was always just 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:35,470 rebellious in general I loved punk music 32 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:38,610 which is very anti-authoritarian so 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:41,470 early on I was always and I was also a 34 00:01:47,969 --> 00:01:44,770 really rigid private school so I was 35 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:47,979 anti authority from a young age and I 36 00:01:53,459 --> 00:01:51,100 guess I was always looking for excuses 37 00:01:55,109 --> 00:01:53,469 to keep that worldview or to validate it 38 00:01:57,330 --> 00:01:55,119 and so when you start digging into what 39 00:02:00,450 --> 00:01:57,340 authority is usually doing which is you 40 00:02:02,459 --> 00:02:00,460 know using people abusing their position 41 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:02,469 and the people below them I'm starting 42 00:02:06,749 --> 00:02:04,960 to have a lot of backup information so 43 00:02:09,569 --> 00:02:06,759 it really solidified me is just being an 44 00:02:11,850 --> 00:02:09,579 anti-establishment growing up but it had 45 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:11,860 to be 9/11 I mean you know it's kind of 46 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:13,840 cliche everybody says that now but I 47 00:02:18,410 --> 00:02:16,180 mean I was in high school still and we 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:18,420 come in and everybody gets in the 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:20,610 Jim they announced this thing and we see 50 00:02:26,510 --> 00:02:23,690 it on TV and even that day I was like 51 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:26,520 that doesn't really look right really 52 00:02:29,420 --> 00:02:27,720 yeah I was like that doesn't look right 53 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:29,430 and I had a couple of good friends who 54 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:31,050 you know we could never offend each 55 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:33,510 other we loved the most offensive comedy 56 00:02:37,729 --> 00:02:36,150 so I knew like I wasn't gonna lose a 57 00:02:39,890 --> 00:02:37,739 friendship but bringing that up and we 58 00:02:42,250 --> 00:02:39,900 would be like yeah it's a little odd but 59 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:42,260 it kind of went away and then later 60 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:45,000 loose change the documentary came out 61 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:47,250 and my buddy's like dude this thing you 62 00:02:50,750 --> 00:02:48,360 know we didn't think it looked right 63 00:02:52,940 --> 00:02:50,760 here's somebody who's like yeah he 64 00:02:54,259 --> 00:02:52,950 doesn't look right this is you know 65 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:54,269 there's a big conspiracy here it could 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:56,489 be an inside job and that was kind of 67 00:03:01,070 --> 00:02:59,010 what set me off I was like no no no it's 68 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:01,080 not abstract anymore you know it's very 69 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:04,080 real and I'd say you know as cliche as 70 00:03:09,770 --> 00:03:07,769 it is 911 was the first conspiracy that 71 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:09,780 that really sent me off I mean I had an 72 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:12,480 interest in UFOs and the kind of the 73 00:03:17,539 --> 00:03:14,850 fringy coast-to-coast stuff right but 74 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:17,549 that of course is also abstract so so 75 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:20,160 when you get into 9/11 was it more or 76 00:03:25,370 --> 00:03:22,920 less immediate that you'd over into the 77 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:25,380 level of saying oh [\h__\h] this is really 78 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:28,680 big or or how did it kind of because I 79 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:31,260 mean I'll tell you mine so I'm off doing 80 00:03:35,630 --> 00:03:33,180 skeptic oh you know and I think I'm just 81 00:03:37,310 --> 00:03:35,640 kind of pursuing big picture science who 82 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:37,320 are we why are we here and I'm 83 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:39,120 interested in that from a spiritual part 84 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:41,519 to and I'm just not approaching it from 85 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:44,970 a conspiratorial thing at all but I 86 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:47,250 start seeing more of this stuff crop up 87 00:03:52,370 --> 00:03:50,609 and I'm kind of drawn into it so I start 88 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:52,380 back filling that and where I started 89 00:03:57,949 --> 00:03:55,290 was with JFK because I really want to 90 00:04:00,050 --> 00:03:57,959 play it safe honestly and I'm a I'm of a 91 00:04:01,729 --> 00:04:00,060 different generation than you are but it 92 00:04:04,340 --> 00:04:01,739 was way in the in the rearview mirror 93 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:04,350 JFK it was safe but I remember being 94 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:06,450 done with it and talking to my wife and 95 00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:08,730 God know she had now this stuff goes 96 00:04:13,729 --> 00:04:11,760 really deep but there is no way I could 97 00:04:15,830 --> 00:04:13,739 ever believe like that 9/11 stuff I mean 98 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:15,840 that's just like way too far out there 99 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:19,889 and I wonder if you had a similar kind 100 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:23,610 of experience of going you know okay you 101 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:26,610 know here's the limit oh wait the limits 102 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:28,530 now further the limits now further and 103 00:04:31,790 --> 00:04:30,330 was it like that for you with 104 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:31,800 were you immediately jumping in and 105 00:04:38,809 --> 00:04:34,889 saying wow this is like dramatically 106 00:04:42,740 --> 00:04:38,819 different than what I thought well yeah 107 00:04:47,179 --> 00:04:42,750 I am pretty open to new paradigms pretty 108 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:47,189 quickly and I like you know to kind of 109 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:49,770 challenge that and I've given up on 110 00:04:53,809 --> 00:04:52,289 saying that you know putting my foot 111 00:04:55,580 --> 00:04:53,819 down on certain ideas and beliefs 112 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:55,590 because it always ends up changing you 113 00:04:59,600 --> 00:04:57,120 know it always ends up advancing but 114 00:05:01,969 --> 00:04:59,610 what I found most interesting about the 115 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:01,979 going down the 911 rabbit boat was when 116 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:03,930 my buddy brought up this documentary we 117 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:05,460 were in kind of a large group of friends 118 00:05:09,770 --> 00:05:07,710 we'd all grown up with and it split the 119 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:09,780 room like nothing I've ever seen and 120 00:05:14,029 --> 00:05:11,580 Here I am with friends I've known my 121 00:05:17,119 --> 00:05:14,039 whole life and we've never really had 122 00:05:19,939 --> 00:05:17,129 serious emotionally charged arguments 123 00:05:20,899 --> 00:05:19,949 about anything real and we bring up 9/11 124 00:05:22,730 --> 00:05:20,909 and then it could have been an inside 125 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:22,740 job and you know elements of the 126 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:24,990 government are involved and we've been 127 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:27,360 lied to in media and it just split the 128 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:29,610 room I there were people who were like I 129 00:05:32,659 --> 00:05:31,289 won't watch that documentary I don't 130 00:05:35,059 --> 00:05:32,669 want to hear you guys talking about that 131 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:35,069 documentary and that's when I realized I 132 00:05:39,110 --> 00:05:36,960 was like well maybe I am a little 133 00:05:40,519 --> 00:05:39,120 different you know to be able because I 134 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:40,529 hear that and I want to hear more about 135 00:05:47,329 --> 00:05:45,360 it like that's kind of what the show is 136 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:47,339 and sometimes people make their case and 137 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:48,810 it's great and it really does make you 138 00:05:54,850 --> 00:05:50,490 think and sometimes it's all sure that 139 00:05:57,140 --> 00:05:54,860 but I really love those kind of 140 00:05:59,059 --> 00:05:57,150 Mindbenders that kind of take you move 141 00:06:00,920 --> 00:05:59,069 you further down the field in terms of 142 00:06:02,899 --> 00:06:00,930 it's all big grand conspiracy I like 143 00:06:04,339 --> 00:06:02,909 kind of messing with shaking people up 144 00:06:06,469 --> 00:06:04,349 and messing with them a little bit but 145 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:06,479 that was the first time I ever saw in a 146 00:06:11,209 --> 00:06:09,120 real way I was like wow like what why 147 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:11,219 are you so against the idea of looking 148 00:06:15,890 --> 00:06:13,520 at a documentary that suggests something 149 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:15,900 strange and now just like wow I guess 150 00:06:20,119 --> 00:06:18,050 half the people I grew up with are just 151 00:06:21,499 --> 00:06:20,129 different and then they're never gonna 152 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:21,509 go down this rabbit hole and maybe 153 00:06:26,659 --> 00:06:23,490 there's some conditioning there mm-hmm 154 00:06:28,459 --> 00:06:26,669 well that's that is interesting and you 155 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:28,469 know that's you you have just kind of 156 00:06:32,149 --> 00:06:30,690 led into the higher side chat's show and 157 00:06:34,909 --> 00:06:32,159 what I thought but I thought might I 158 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:34,919 might do is play for people a little bit 159 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:37,289 of a compilation of some intros that you 160 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:38,880 do you do fantastic interest I mean 161 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:41,370 there's a show I have to say I can't be 162 00:06:43,970 --> 00:06:42,810 fan boy the whole time but I've got to 163 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:43,980 be a little bit of fan boy 164 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:45,930 you do great research before the show 165 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:48,390 you put together these intros that 166 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:50,820 really kind of head out the the 167 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:52,230 landscape of where you're heading and 168 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:53,550 then there's some really cool music in 169 00:06:57,620 --> 00:06:55,380 there too that we get into it I'm gonna 170 00:06:59,420 --> 00:06:57,630 play this is mainly for your benefit to 171 00:07:02,570 --> 00:06:59,430 hear it I'll slice splice in a better 172 00:07:05,090 --> 00:07:02,580 version really makes some great 173 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:05,100 connections between ancient aliens and 174 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:07,110 ancient history the races and blood 175 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:09,360 types the elite and the bloodlines the 176 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:11,310 Inner Earth and abductions reptilian 177 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:13,620 beings in a century-long manipulation of 178 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:16,050 humanity and a thousand other threads on 179 00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:19,560 the conspiracy sweater by now we know 180 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:21,240 all too well that hidden behind the 181 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:23,070 facade of democracy are the dynastic 182 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:24,930 families that make up the bricks and 183 00:07:29,180 --> 00:07:27,120 mortar of the power pyramid groomed from 184 00:07:30,830 --> 00:07:29,190 a young age pre-approved for the finest 185 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:30,840 schools and inducted into their elusive 186 00:07:35,570 --> 00:07:33,330 and exclusive secret societies we see 187 00:07:37,550 --> 00:07:35,580 the same names and faces fast-tracked to 188 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:37,560 wealth power and control while the rest 189 00:07:43,370 --> 00:07:39,390 of us are force-fed the American Dream 190 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:43,380 like an overstuffed Christmas goose but 191 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:45,030 on a show where we regularly flip 192 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:46,770 through the rolodex of entity influence 193 00:07:49,460 --> 00:07:48,060 today we're going to narrow in on a 194 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:49,470 slice of the pie where we don't often 195 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:51,510 consider the role or possibilities of 196 00:08:01,440 --> 00:07:53,490 such manipulations and that's love in 197 00:08:09,070 --> 00:08:06,330 okay where would we be without THC I 198 00:08:12,730 --> 00:08:09,080 sung that song in my head of many times 199 00:08:15,610 --> 00:08:12,740 it's kind of a catchy song but so we've 200 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:15,620 just laid out there I mean just an array 201 00:08:21,370 --> 00:08:19,130 of things that I think no doubt some 202 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:21,380 people are going to find paradigm 203 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:22,910 busting just in the way that you're 204 00:08:29,110 --> 00:08:24,430 talking about I mean we're talking about 205 00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:29,120 not only UFOs but then alien abduction 206 00:08:33,070 --> 00:08:30,560 which for me I never understand why the 207 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:33,080 people why people can't make that step 208 00:08:36,969 --> 00:08:35,090 they go oh yeah well I believe that the 209 00:08:39,490 --> 00:08:36,979 UFOs are reality but alien abduction 210 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:39,500 that could never happen it's like why is 211 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:40,880 that such a leap but I mean the first 212 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:42,470 one I get is elite but the second one 213 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:44,990 but then you even go to the to the mail 214 00:08:49,980 --> 00:08:47,180 app thing you know which is the military 215 00:08:53,170 --> 00:08:49,990 abduction of people the cooperation of 216 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:53,180 government or military organizations and 217 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:54,260 we don't really know what those are 218 00:08:58,930 --> 00:08:56,870 being somehow involved in this process - 219 00:09:00,610 --> 00:08:58,940 again that's just gonna be a moon shot 220 00:09:03,010 --> 00:09:00,620 to people but what I think is really 221 00:09:05,770 --> 00:09:03,020 interesting about in that compilation I 222 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:05,780 did you always do also do some really 223 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:08,300 down-to-earth if you will kind of pull 224 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:10,910 the geopolitical stuff that is still 225 00:09:16,090 --> 00:09:13,970 pulling those same threads of the 226 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:16,100 sweater as you said and I copied you and 227 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:18,200 for example that was a lead-in to an 228 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:21,440 interview you did with russ Baker hears 229 00:09:25,420 --> 00:09:23,570 I guess the question in that how do you 230 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:25,430 balance those out to yourself and what 231 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:30,050 what do you see as the the guiding force 232 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:33,350 behind you know both dealing with the 233 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:35,930 extreme stuff that's way out there that 234 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:38,090 totally destroys all our paradigms and 235 00:09:42,580 --> 00:09:40,130 then also winding it back to you know 236 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:42,590 why is Hillary doing this and where are 237 00:09:47,530 --> 00:09:45,010 the bushes playing out in that scenario 238 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:47,540 well I think it was Jon Rappoport 239 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:49,220 one time I interviewed him and he had 240 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:51,350 said you know when you're looking at a 241 00:09:54,790 --> 00:09:52,730 lot of this stuff it just depends what 242 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:54,800 level on the elevator you want to get 243 00:09:58,180 --> 00:09:56,810 off you know you can get really weird or 244 00:10:00,100 --> 00:09:58,190 you gonna be in the down-to-earth stuff 245 00:10:01,750 --> 00:10:00,110 and it doesn't mean one against the 246 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:01,760 other you know both things can really be 247 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:04,490 going on and I think I have a tendency 248 00:10:08,199 --> 00:10:06,769 to like get weirder and weirder 249 00:10:10,269 --> 00:10:08,209 and we're and then I'll get to a point 250 00:10:11,590 --> 00:10:10,279 where I'm like okay are we really 251 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:11,600 learning anything here when we're 252 00:10:17,169 --> 00:10:13,730 talking about Spyder beans you know 253 00:10:19,629 --> 00:10:17,179 coming from Zeta Reticuli and the moon 254 00:10:21,489 --> 00:10:19,639 is a control center it's interesting 255 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:21,499 it's an interesting paradigm I'll talk 256 00:10:26,530 --> 00:10:24,230 about but where you know what what can 257 00:10:28,119 --> 00:10:26,540 you do with that in your life and so now 258 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:28,129 I'll be like okay let's get back to 259 00:10:32,710 --> 00:10:30,110 something more down-to-earth and then I 260 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:32,720 would guess like Russ Baker or William 261 00:10:37,239 --> 00:10:34,910 Inge doll and we'll get more into the 262 00:10:39,249 --> 00:10:37,249 political side of things but I think 263 00:10:41,229 --> 00:10:39,259 that's kind of what it is is I think it 264 00:10:44,919 --> 00:10:41,239 may be too far off and then I bring it 265 00:10:47,259 --> 00:10:44,929 back but I like having the show be a 266 00:10:49,449 --> 00:10:47,269 grab bag of stuff where there's an 267 00:10:51,069 --> 00:10:49,459 audience that appreciates you know what 268 00:10:54,249 --> 00:10:51,079 I do they're gonna trust me and I kind 269 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:54,259 of consider myself a conspiracy talent 270 00:10:59,229 --> 00:10:56,809 scout like I scout out the researchers 271 00:11:02,619 --> 00:10:59,239 I'm like okay this guy he makes a good 272 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:02,629 case for his position and have them on 273 00:11:06,189 --> 00:11:04,100 and let them do their thing and kind of 274 00:11:08,319 --> 00:11:06,199 want help walk them through their own 275 00:11:09,970 --> 00:11:08,329 research because it's often very dense 276 00:11:12,609 --> 00:11:09,980 it's where the intros come in you know 277 00:11:14,049 --> 00:11:12,619 you got to get it takes a lot to set up 278 00:11:17,199 --> 00:11:14,059 some of these people because it's such 279 00:11:19,239 --> 00:11:17,209 dense stuff and it's so off the radar 280 00:11:20,769 --> 00:11:19,249 that you really gotta frame it it takes 281 00:11:23,319 --> 00:11:20,779 a lot of framing to kind of be like okay 282 00:11:24,579 --> 00:11:23,329 this is where we're gonna go today we're 283 00:11:26,859 --> 00:11:24,589 getting off on this level of the 284 00:11:29,019 --> 00:11:26,869 elevator today well let's let's walk 285 00:11:31,539 --> 00:11:29,029 some let's walk people through some of 286 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:31,549 that stuff because I think some of the 287 00:11:37,509 --> 00:11:34,670 listeners to this show are probably 288 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:37,519 already off the elevator they've left as 289 00:11:40,689 --> 00:11:38,809 soon as that yeah they were like you 290 00:11:43,329 --> 00:11:40,699 know I'm out of there 291 00:11:44,919 --> 00:11:43,339 but because I keep pounding on these 292 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:44,929 conspiracy theories because they seem to 293 00:11:49,659 --> 00:11:46,730 crop up everywhere and they seem to be 294 00:11:52,210 --> 00:11:49,669 for me they seem to be part of the 295 00:11:54,999 --> 00:11:52,220 personal transformation process they 296 00:11:57,939 --> 00:11:55,009 seem to be not just a countercultural 297 00:12:03,220 --> 00:11:57,949 let's go out in protest they seem to be 298 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:03,230 part of what I need to be able to go 299 00:12:08,109 --> 00:12:05,929 forward with what is essentially a 300 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:08,119 spiritual thing you know I was like Who 301 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:10,699 am I why am I here is really spiritual 302 00:12:13,569 --> 00:12:12,290 questions we disguise them as science 303 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:13,579 questions but they're really spiritual 304 00:12:18,609 --> 00:12:16,730 questions so if you start with 9/11 305 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:18,619 right that was your starting point let's 306 00:12:23,829 --> 00:12:20,930 start there real briefly 307 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:23,839 what are who are some of your favorite 308 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:28,420 911 guests that really solidify your 309 00:12:34,510 --> 00:12:32,420 understanding that in simple terms 9/11 310 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:34,520 was an inside job 9/11 was not what we 311 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:36,830 think it was when it comes to guests to 312 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:39,110 be honest that is one that by the time I 313 00:12:44,350 --> 00:12:41,270 was doing the show like I kind of had 314 00:12:45,610 --> 00:12:44,360 just accepted that and that's kind of I 315 00:12:47,470 --> 00:12:45,620 haven't really gone back and 316 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:47,480 fundamentally gone I tell you what you 317 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:49,610 did you did a great joy I was just gonna 318 00:12:53,079 --> 00:12:51,110 say you did a great job with Judy would 319 00:12:55,210 --> 00:12:53,089 you did a great job with Judy would ya 320 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:55,220 she has been the only one I think that 321 00:12:59,889 --> 00:12:57,620 has moved the needle further to into 322 00:13:02,740 --> 00:12:59,899 understanding what it could have been or 323 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:02,750 if it wasn't a controlled demolition she 324 00:13:05,710 --> 00:13:04,430 seems to have I think really good 325 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:05,720 evidence to suggest that it was 326 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:07,250 something more than that she refers to 327 00:13:11,110 --> 00:13:09,920 it as a justification the thing that I 328 00:13:13,449 --> 00:13:11,120 thought was most interesting is the 329 00:13:15,310 --> 00:13:13,459 seismic data that she pulls up now I 330 00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:15,320 mean I haven't gone to the primary 331 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:17,360 seismic data and made sure that hers is 332 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:19,610 exactly right but taking her at her word 333 00:13:23,230 --> 00:13:21,649 and her book is like a textbook yeah I 334 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:23,240 love it it's not flowery language 335 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:26,870 whatsoever it's hard science yes you 336 00:13:32,170 --> 00:13:28,910 know the seismic data from that day does 337 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:32,180 not show the impact of tons of steel 338 00:13:36,670 --> 00:13:34,400 hitting the ground and creating like 339 00:13:39,310 --> 00:13:36,680 vibrations it doesn't show that it just 340 00:13:42,850 --> 00:13:39,320 it basically shows nothing 341 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:42,860 so her theory or her premise is like all 342 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:45,620 this material did not collapse into the 343 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:49,610 ground it kind of vaporized and she has 344 00:13:54,310 --> 00:13:51,440 pictures that show certain things like 345 00:13:56,260 --> 00:13:54,320 the spire shell frame-by-frame like it 346 00:13:57,790 --> 00:13:56,270 doesn't just topple over and this is 347 00:14:00,430 --> 00:13:57,800 something that wasn't touched by a plane 348 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:00,440 it's a part of you know it's on the top 349 00:14:04,690 --> 00:14:03,200 of the tower it should remain stable all 350 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:04,700 the way down until it hits the ground 351 00:14:10,269 --> 00:14:06,770 and like shatters or whatever but it 352 00:14:12,610 --> 00:14:10,279 kind of a it falls and mystifies and in 353 00:14:14,260 --> 00:14:12,620 the air and so you look at that stuff 354 00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,270 you're like well you got to come up with 355 00:14:17,980 --> 00:14:16,160 some kind of answer why isn't there a 356 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:17,990 giant impact you know she talks about 357 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:19,730 something called the bathtub which is 358 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:21,529 you know the twin towers are built down 359 00:14:26,829 --> 00:14:24,160 into the ground and there's this cement 360 00:14:28,810 --> 00:14:26,839 bathtub like structure that keeps the 361 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:28,820 water you know from coming in because 362 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,760 it's right there on the coast and why 363 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:33,680 didn't that fall apart and why wasn't 364 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:34,220 Manhattan 365 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:37,400 swatted well there wasn't an impact and 366 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:39,800 so that's some information that you have 367 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:41,810 to kind of come up with an answer for 368 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:44,450 she thinks it's exotic free energy type 369 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:47,030 technology that just breaks things apart 370 00:14:51,970 --> 00:14:49,610 at a molecular level and I think there 371 00:14:53,950 --> 00:14:51,980 might be a case for that yeah you know 372 00:14:56,530 --> 00:14:53,960 the other thing that I thought was just 373 00:14:57,970 --> 00:14:56,540 really interesting about the interview 374 00:15:00,130 --> 00:14:57,980 you did and then we'll move on but when 375 00:15:01,930 --> 00:15:00,140 she talks about the people who are 376 00:15:04,750 --> 00:15:01,940 actually walking down one of the 377 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:04,760 stairwells and they look up and there's 378 00:15:12,220 --> 00:15:08,870 blue sky so whatever was above them and 379 00:15:14,110 --> 00:15:12,230 this is like you know a large number of 380 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:14,120 people who were together and we could 381 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:15,710 verify that they were there on the scene 382 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:17,360 and they're saying yeah this is what 383 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:19,310 happening how do you get around that you 384 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:21,260 know about the jumpers too like that's a 385 00:15:24,970 --> 00:15:22,910 little bit more but she talks about the 386 00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:24,980 jumpers and that was something that 387 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:27,200 didn't really seem right to me either 388 00:15:32,410 --> 00:15:29,510 I'm like I understand that a plane hit 389 00:15:34,570 --> 00:15:32,420 the building but you know unless you're 390 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:34,580 right there on that level why do you 391 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:37,790 need to jump out you know people can say 392 00:15:41,860 --> 00:15:39,170 oh come on you know it's filling with 393 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:41,870 smoke it's hot but with her paradigm 394 00:15:47,020 --> 00:15:43,850 that this is more of like some type of 395 00:15:50,290 --> 00:15:47,030 microwave technology some type of you 396 00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:50,300 know crossing of frequency waves it's 397 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:53,270 like the people are jumping because 398 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:54,680 they're like cooking when they're in 399 00:16:00,690 --> 00:15:57,290 this you know this net of these two 400 00:16:04,090 --> 00:16:00,700 crossing frequencies and that to me 401 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:04,100 obvious is dark but it made a lot more 402 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:05,990 sense to see these people jumping out 403 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:08,480 and I don't know you know some people 404 00:16:12,670 --> 00:16:10,730 are gonna be like that's too far or 405 00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:12,680 that's not necessarily super scientific 406 00:16:17,290 --> 00:16:15,860 but it didn't seem right to me that 407 00:16:18,970 --> 00:16:17,300 people would be jumping out and I can't 408 00:16:20,950 --> 00:16:18,980 you wait a little longer to potentially 409 00:16:24,190 --> 00:16:20,960 get rescued or can't you climb down a 410 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:24,200 little more you know you only look once 411 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:25,820 you know this things must be pretty bad 412 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:28,190 if you're going to jump 100 stories and 413 00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:30,680 I think the idea that they were getting 414 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:32,950 cooked with some exotic technology 415 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:34,880 paired with all this other information 416 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:36,650 that she throws out there 417 00:16:41,170 --> 00:16:38,780 I think it's anecdotal but it kind of 418 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:41,180 made a little more sense what I think it 419 00:16:44,290 --> 00:16:43,070 should really give people a sense for if 420 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:44,300 they listened to that interview on 421 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:46,670 higher side chats is that you're not 422 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:48,250 afraid to go 423 00:16:53,860 --> 00:16:50,510 super-scientific I mean if there's 424 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:53,870 anything about Judy would she puts 425 00:16:58,570 --> 00:16:55,990 people off because she's so kind of 426 00:17:00,820 --> 00:16:58,580 confrontational about the science 427 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:00,830 because she is a scientist she knows her 428 00:17:06,850 --> 00:17:04,370 stuff and she doesn't like people who 429 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:06,860 don't know their stuff you know like her 430 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:09,439 lecturing people on reasoning you know 431 00:17:13,059 --> 00:17:11,329 your reasoning skills are not good and 432 00:17:14,169 --> 00:17:13,069 you really kind of were able to kind of 433 00:17:16,059 --> 00:17:14,179 hold your ground there because I think 434 00:17:18,340 --> 00:17:16,069 you do have this pretty deep knowledge 435 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:18,350 about the subject and I felt the same 436 00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:21,110 way about when you talk about Russ Baker 437 00:17:28,750 --> 00:17:24,319 about the bushes but the the difference 438 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:28,760 there I think is that 9/11 contains 439 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:31,730 itself pretty well you know something 440 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:33,800 happened to these buildings and there 441 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:36,290 was a reason for it and even if you go 442 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:38,570 down the conspiratorial path like you 443 00:17:44,919 --> 00:17:40,250 and I do in a way that seems obvious 444 00:17:46,780 --> 00:17:44,929 that hey this was the event that started 445 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:46,790 the war on terror and why the hell 446 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,050 wouldn't you want a war on terror it's 447 00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:50,480 the best damn war and the way you could 448 00:17:53,380 --> 00:17:51,380 ever imagine 449 00:17:56,260 --> 00:17:53,390 unlimited budget who is unafraid of 450 00:17:58,990 --> 00:17:56,270 terror and unlimited end time it ends 451 00:18:01,540 --> 00:17:59,000 when we say it ends you know we can get 452 00:18:04,030 --> 00:18:01,550 that script what I found interesting 453 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:04,040 about where you went with the bush 454 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:07,850 interview with russ Baker is that it 455 00:18:14,620 --> 00:18:11,690 gets in a lot of ways a lot deeper and 456 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:14,630 into some of the spiritual kind of 457 00:18:21,159 --> 00:18:17,510 what's going on on another level blood 458 00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:21,169 line thing and all of that stuff tell me 459 00:18:26,169 --> 00:18:23,500 what you took away from your 460 00:18:29,409 --> 00:18:26,179 investigation into the Bush family and 461 00:18:32,350 --> 00:18:29,419 into the russ Baker thing and almost all 462 00:18:34,930 --> 00:18:32,360 that stuff well what I thought was great 463 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:34,940 about Russ Baker is he wanted some 464 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:37,130 answers to you know how did george w 465 00:18:43,930 --> 00:18:41,360 bush become president and he basically 466 00:18:48,190 --> 00:18:43,940 started researching the bush dynasty the 467 00:18:49,930 --> 00:18:48,200 Bush family and he really equates most 468 00:18:51,790 --> 00:18:49,940 of their success to what he just calls 469 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:51,800 networking you know a really good 470 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:54,410 efficient networking doing business in 471 00:19:00,100 --> 00:18:57,890 Texas right which starts really I mean 472 00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:00,110 they weren't skullenbones that's what 473 00:19:02,860 --> 00:19:00,470 that 474 00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:02,870 is kind of made for and I thought one 475 00:19:05,529 --> 00:19:04,340 point that he made that was really good 476 00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:05,539 is when you start bringing up these 477 00:19:08,890 --> 00:19:07,190 connections like skull and bones people 478 00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,900 roll their eyes and I don't want to go 479 00:19:13,149 --> 00:19:10,400 there and they think it's not serious 480 00:19:14,049 --> 00:19:13,159 but it's serious to the bushes or they 481 00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:14,059 wouldn't have done it 482 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:16,460 these are very serious people and they 483 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:19,490 have a tendency to gravitate towards 484 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,120 Bohemian Grove Club the you know Skull 485 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:24,799 and Bones Freemasonry these 486 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,110 organizations that if you bring up those 487 00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:29,360 connections you're the crazy conspiracy 488 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:31,220 person but it's a it's a fact it's not 489 00:19:36,580 --> 00:19:34,130 conjecture they really were involved you 490 00:19:38,890 --> 00:19:36,590 know the aspect of that that I think is 491 00:19:42,159 --> 00:19:38,900 interesting is the black male aspect you 492 00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:42,169 know like if you're if you went to 493 00:19:48,010 --> 00:19:46,280 Schoen bones in college and you're 494 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:48,020 meeting all these prominent people that 495 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:49,970 are also in the organization and then 496 00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,640 you go on to you know eventually become 497 00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,280 president if the rumors are true about 498 00:20:00,370 --> 00:19:57,919 things like the rituals and Skull and 499 00:20:02,620 --> 00:20:00,380 Bones there's a guy out there who has a 500 00:20:04,419 --> 00:20:02,630 video of you jacking off in a coffin and 501 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:04,429 crying about your worst sins and you 502 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:06,520 don't want that out there so this guy 503 00:20:12,399 --> 00:20:10,220 has you from the age of 20 all the way 504 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:12,409 to wherever you end up in the line I 505 00:20:19,299 --> 00:20:15,049 think that's interesting but the bushes 506 00:20:20,919 --> 00:20:19,309 I mean they obviously they go back what 507 00:20:21,940 --> 00:20:20,929 he brought up as they go back to the 508 00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:21,950 Civil War 509 00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:24,350 we're selling fake munitions and stuff 510 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:28,190 like that one number of them what in the 511 00:20:34,930 --> 00:20:31,730 old days was a victim of the Salem witch 512 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:34,940 trials like he got burned as a witch I 513 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,220 thought that was interesting them the 514 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:39,200 Gog and Magog stuff I don't know if 515 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,970 you're familiar with that necessarily if 516 00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,320 we went into it too deep in the 517 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:45,440 interview but Magog is something from 518 00:20:52,930 --> 00:20:49,010 the Sumerian text and that was George W 519 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:52,940 R George poppy bush George seniors name 520 00:20:58,659 --> 00:20:55,580 in the skullenbones so that gets into 521 00:21:00,520 --> 00:20:58,669 light manifesting these biblical 522 00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:00,530 prophecies which seems to be a big part 523 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:03,320 of what some conspiracy theorists think 524 00:21:07,659 --> 00:21:04,940 that these guys are doing is they're 525 00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,669 trying to force these things were 526 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:09,200 written out a long time ago they want to 527 00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,190 make it happen I don't know why the the 528 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:14,320 the Christian conspiracy theorists who 529 00:21:18,269 --> 00:21:16,330 think to chalk it all up to Satanism 530 00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:18,279 that's not really my bag I think that's 531 00:21:22,139 --> 00:21:20,049 a simplistic ropey but you can't deny 532 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:22,149 that they're doing something again 533 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,730 taking something very serious that if 534 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,840 you bring it up in the mainstream 535 00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:28,000 they'll roll their eyes about it but 536 00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,070 they take these ancient things seriously 537 00:21:35,639 --> 00:21:32,559 and you know there's researchers who go 538 00:21:38,999 --> 00:21:35,649 deep into 9/11 that it was ritualized 539 00:21:42,090 --> 00:21:39,009 to basically be a paradigm changer and 540 00:21:44,909 --> 00:21:42,100 we this post 9/11 world I mean I don't 541 00:21:46,169 --> 00:21:44,919 see us ever being in a post post 9/11 542 00:21:48,629 --> 00:21:46,179 world you know like things definitely 543 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,639 changed then and when am I gonna get to 544 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:50,799 wear shoes through the airports you know 545 00:21:54,619 --> 00:21:52,750 when are we ever gonna be done with this 546 00:21:57,899 --> 00:21:54,629 like you said it's the neverending story 547 00:21:59,820 --> 00:21:57,909 well you know you just covered some 548 00:22:01,259 --> 00:21:59,830 ground there that I thought was really 549 00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:01,269 great and exactly what I wanted to kind 550 00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:02,830 of hone in on because what you'd point 551 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:06,299 out there is that if you take the bush 552 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:09,129 conspiracy at just kind of the surface 553 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:14,080 level like Poppy's dad was a Nazi a 554 00:22:18,779 --> 00:22:17,110 friend of the Nazis Nazi banker I'm 555 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:18,789 that's just proven I mean you just go 556 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:20,740 looking and see the damn documents the 557 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:23,590 only guy who has ever charged in that 558 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:25,720 way you know that's really easy to kind 559 00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:27,490 of put your finger on and the Skull and 560 00:22:33,389 --> 00:22:30,820 Bones thing is equally out there kind of 561 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:33,399 thing where I think you're able to go 562 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:35,740 that I don't see other people able to go 563 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:38,620 is like you cross-reference that with 564 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:41,860 some of the UFO stuff and the abduction 565 00:22:47,389 --> 00:22:43,990 stuff and in particular the mill lab 566 00:22:50,009 --> 00:22:47,399 stuff military abductions again of UFOs 567 00:22:53,159 --> 00:22:50,019 damn it if it doesn't start popping up 568 00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:53,169 again this idea of bloodlines seem to 569 00:23:01,409 --> 00:22:58,000 matter this idea of life commitments or 570 00:23:03,779 --> 00:23:01,419 life pledges or selling your soul to use 571 00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:03,789 the term seems to crop up and we don't 572 00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:06,580 have to say we know what it is but here 573 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:09,700 are these people that are like you just 574 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:12,370 said they believe it's real they're 575 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:14,769 playing that game and some of them are 576 00:23:19,259 --> 00:23:17,110 in some very strange places like in the 577 00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:19,269 deepest bowels of military intelligence 578 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:22,500 who are keeping secret abducting people 579 00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:25,450 for purposes of 580 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:27,670 some kind of alien contact right and 581 00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:30,340 that's what got me into magic initial is 582 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:33,070 I thought magic was a little out there I 583 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:36,250 didn't know if there was much to you 584 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:39,130 know he's so Terrell's and and that kind 585 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:41,380 of thing but you know you look at the 586 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:43,870 elite and they clearly pay attention to 587 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:45,640 it they clearly think it's important 588 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:48,250 what are we playing for here what are 589 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:50,590 you playing for what is the ultimate end 590 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:53,950 game for you in terms of the higher side 591 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:56,290 chats because I get frustrated sometimes 592 00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,450 like when I talk to somebody like that 593 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,400 James Corbett and we both talk to him I 594 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,080 have a lot of respect for James 595 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:03,760 unbelievable respect for what he does 596 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:05,190 the amount of information he puts out 597 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:08,230 but when we talk to you know you push 598 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:10,690 him on the end game and it's like well 599 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:13,090 it's gonna be volunteerism and we're all 600 00:24:17,370 --> 00:24:15,280 gonna you know kind of anarchy is kind 601 00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:17,380 of okay and I get that anarchy is is 602 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:19,480 really a misunderstood word and it 603 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:23,260 really just means of self responsibility 604 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:25,750 more than anything else but doesn't it 605 00:24:32,910 --> 00:24:30,130 come down to something like a majority 606 00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:32,920 rule something like a democratic process 607 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:37,660 and in that sense I worry about what 608 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:39,220 you're advocating and what I'm 609 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:41,800 advocating because we're gonna have a 610 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:44,440 hard damn time finding a majority you 611 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:47,290 know what is the endgame in this is it 612 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:50,050 political or is it kind of a cultural 613 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:54,130 transformation kind of well I mean my my 614 00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:55,570 end game with the show or what I'm 615 00:24:59,910 --> 00:24:57,070 trying to do with the show is just to 616 00:25:02,790 --> 00:24:59,920 get people to entertain radical ideas 617 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:02,800 because I felt relatively isolated in 618 00:25:06,030 --> 00:25:03,700 the Midwest 619 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:06,040 going over a lot of these ideas you know 620 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:08,530 split friendships I had for a decade 621 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:10,600 because they couldn't bear to look at it 622 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:12,510 so I was like let's present this stuff 623 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:15,100 you know it's build basically a digital 624 00:25:19,290 --> 00:25:17,710 stage put these researchers on it in a 625 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:19,300 way that's not interrupted by a bunch of 626 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:21,790 commercials or you know George Norris 627 00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:25,170 conservative religious viewpoints and I 628 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:27,340 like getting people to entertain that 629 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:30,910 stuff but the end game really I I don't 630 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:32,050 know I used to think it was to change 631 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:33,970 the world I used to think that oh we're 632 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,710 gonna just 633 00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:36,480 we get everybody thinking like this then 634 00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:37,799 we're gonna lead the charge and 635 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:39,059 everything we're gonna we're gonna 636 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:40,529 overtake it and everything's gonna be 637 00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:43,770 fine but it was Gordon white in his most 638 00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:46,860 recent pieces of a he has a line about 639 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:49,799 the magician's goal is not necessarily 640 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:53,610 to change the system because you know 641 00:25:57,980 --> 00:25:56,610 the old authority is the same as the new 642 00:25:59,840 --> 00:25:57,990 authority you know it's just a change in 643 00:26:02,330 --> 00:25:59,850 a face you're never gonna get out of 644 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:02,340 that because there's a if you remove 645 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:04,169 power then there's a power vacuum and 646 00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,270 somebody's going to get into it so it 647 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:08,039 might be kind of fruitless to try to 648 00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,940 really change the system because even 649 00:26:15,889 --> 00:26:13,799 you'll recognize that alternative 650 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,899 movements get infiltrated almost right 651 00:26:19,639 --> 00:26:17,700 away if they're not funded from the 652 00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:19,649 beginning but they're infiltrated so 653 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:22,470 quickly so good luck actually changing 654 00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,940 the system because by the time you get 655 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:25,799 to the point where you know you're 656 00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,330 actually a threat to the system you're 657 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:29,340 already gonna be a part of it examples 658 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:30,510 throw out some examples there because 659 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:32,010 that you're totally right but sometimes 660 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:34,770 when when people in your position say 661 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:37,110 that people like what do you mean and I 662 00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:39,090 mean I'll just throw out one that comes 663 00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,409 to mind and then you can jump on it with 664 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,520 a bunch of others but I remember hearing 665 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:43,200 this interview not too long ago with 666 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:44,640 Timothy Leary and this is an interview 667 00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,370 he did back like a couple years right 668 00:26:50,539 --> 00:26:49,080 after he got out of jail so what would 669 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:50,549 have been like in the 70s and he goes 670 00:26:53,659 --> 00:26:52,289 you know I was like hey you know one 671 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:53,669 thing I didn't realize until much later 672 00:27:00,200 --> 00:26:58,010 is we had been infiltrated and co-opted 673 00:27:02,029 --> 00:27:00,210 within a very short period of time 674 00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:02,039 exactly what you're saying so here's 675 00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,590 Timothy Leary counterculture you know 676 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:07,080 tune in drop out through the day all 677 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,690 that and infiltrate it and now in 678 00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,850 retrospect he sees it and I think you 679 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:14,039 know that there's many examples of that 680 00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:15,450 you've run across where people think oh 681 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:17,640 no we couldn't be infiltrated and now 682 00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:19,289 you look and it's like of course they've 683 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:22,679 been co-opted what she thinks that half 684 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:26,820 the 9/11 movement is the truth movement 685 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:29,070 you know she thinks is infiltrated and 686 00:27:34,930 --> 00:27:31,559 it's meant to steer people away from her 687 00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:34,940 research and know she'll say things like 688 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:37,080 they're out there calling for a new 689 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:38,820 investigation well here's the 690 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,529 investigation you know we don't need a 691 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:42,240 new investigation we need to look at the 692 00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,200 evidence of the one 693 00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,299 have been done so in a way it's like the 694 00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:47,120 cycle that will never let never end 695 00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:49,320 because they're calling for like the 696 00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:50,700 wrong conclusion or a different 697 00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,419 conclusion so I think that I mean in my 698 00:27:59,360 --> 00:27:57,179 life I would say occupy I actually 699 00:28:01,159 --> 00:27:59,370 really liked the Occupy movement I was 700 00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:01,169 down there I was staying in a tent 701 00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,620 downtown oh no you can't trust your 702 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,320 experience you don't really know what's 703 00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,480 happening to you you're like no I think 704 00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:21,299 I know what's happening to me but that's 705 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:22,919 what that's part of the scientific 706 00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:26,850 overlay is until we've ordained it Oh 707 00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,950 none of your experiences really matter 708 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:31,200 and and I do think you're you're so 709 00:28:34,639 --> 00:28:33,210 right I think that is one of the really 710 00:28:37,159 --> 00:28:34,649 positive things that has come out of 711 00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:37,169 this psychedelic movement and all the 712 00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,260 ethnic ins is that you can't [\h__\h] 713 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:42,120 those people they're like you know blah 714 00:28:47,169 --> 00:28:44,490 blah blah I don't care I know I was 715 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,179 there and I think I'm just more 716 00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,220 immediate level at what I always say is 717 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:52,500 you know is there a voice inside your 718 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:55,230 head and when you ask that question you 719 00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:57,330 get an answer inside your head and 720 00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,940 whether the answer is yes or no who the 721 00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,399 hell is answering it there was something 722 00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,279 there and you know I think what you're 723 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:07,679 doing is just jump starting that 724 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,980 conversation with that other aspect of 725 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:13,380 yourself so that's cool so where where 726 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:16,130 might that take you how are you 727 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:20,010 synthesizing that into some of the top 728 00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:21,450 because you've covered about if you 729 00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:22,950 cover and I think you've already laid 730 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:25,080 out some of that groundwork but one of 731 00:29:29,539 --> 00:29:27,510 the things that intrigues me is if there 732 00:29:31,639 --> 00:29:29,549 are these other entities and some of 733 00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:31,649 these eminent entities are malevolent 734 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,740 there's evil out there and anyone who 735 00:29:40,299 --> 00:29:36,720 doesn't think there's evil out there I 736 00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:40,309 mean you know there's people who abduct 737 00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,190 little kids and use them for these 738 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:47,039 horrible sexual purposes and lo and 739 00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:48,450 behold we've come out some of those 740 00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,820 people are in the White House and in the 741 00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,320 highest government if you don't believe 742 00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:54,539 that look up the Franklin affair and 743 00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:56,550 look up some other stuff that is just 744 00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,240 a supremely tightly documented you know 745 00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,520 we're the people who wanted I never 746 00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,740 wanted to believe this I wish I didn't 747 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:06,720 encounter it but this is the truth but 748 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,330 anyways isn't that kind of chilling that 749 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:12,000 there is this evil in this extended 750 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:15,570 consciousness realm as well so then that 751 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:17,610 suggests that there is this higher 752 00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:20,250 battle that were kind of engaged in what 753 00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:21,300 do you make of all that 754 00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:22,800 there definitely might be spiritual 755 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,390 puppet masters it gets into the peer 756 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:26,940 levente stuff the sinister forces as you 757 00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:28,170 refers to it 758 00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:30,990 I really like that idea the idea that 759 00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,380 not only are we messing with physical 760 00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:37,020 human elite but we are also dealing with 761 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:38,990 something on a higher plane or another 762 00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:42,450 dimension another sliver of this reality 763 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:44,550 that we don't necessarily see that also 764 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,450 has great influence I mean who knows how 765 00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:50,940 do you know why you do what you do you 766 00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:52,680 know on a daily basis when you have an 767 00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:55,320 inkling to go do something did that come 768 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:57,180 from you or did that come from somewhere 769 00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:58,770 else did somebody put that in your head 770 00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:01,320 are your thoughts your own and that's 771 00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,760 where it gets into the idea that it's 772 00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:04,140 very important to get into meditation 773 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:06,390 it's very important to get into these uh 774 00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:09,720 these spiritual practices that make you 775 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:12,030 stronger minded so that you can actually 776 00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:15,300 identify your own thoughts from other 777 00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:17,040 thoughts and that gets back to Gordon 778 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:20,340 like he is really opened my eyes to the 779 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:22,770 idea of spiritual influence not just in 780 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:25,710 the sense that you know George Bush 781 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:27,570 might be doing some weird rituals with 782 00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,710 skullenbones and they might be 783 00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:30,720 contacting some entity that gives them 784 00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:33,030 ideas because I used I definitely think 785 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,350 that kind of stuff happens I think 786 00:31:37,670 --> 00:31:36,000 that's why they have rituals is because 787 00:31:39,650 --> 00:31:37,680 they're tapping into something but I 788 00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,660 used to put it way out there and say 789 00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,700 well little old me isn't gonna have 790 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,380 those kind of experiences little old me 791 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:44,880 isn't being influenced by these things 792 00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,430 but any artist knows the concept of the 793 00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:49,740 muse you know that is a spiritual 794 00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,660 influence giving you information I used 795 00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:53,640 to want to be a stand-up comic and any 796 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:55,020 good comic knows when they get on our 797 00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:57,090 roll they'll all say doesn't feel like 798 00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:58,770 it's coming from me it's coming through 799 00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:01,020 me but it's coming from somewhere else 800 00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:03,030 and they're tapping it into a third 801 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:04,190 wavelength where they're getting 802 00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:06,690 creative inspiration on-the-fly that's 803 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:07,920 coming out and they like man how did I 804 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:09,930 come up with that yeah how did you come 805 00:32:12,530 --> 00:32:11,250 up with that you know give that some 806 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:12,540 thought because maybe it came from 807 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:13,260 somewhere else 808 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:15,540 so you know the muse isn't necessarily 809 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:18,360 bad but just as people have a wide range 810 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,690 of personalities and and agendas I think 811 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,940 the spirits might too and it's a hard 812 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,760 thing for me to rationalize when you get 813 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:30,240 into life after death because as Gordon 814 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:31,770 has pointed out to me several times 815 00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:35,130 there is a way to contact spirits and 816 00:32:41,270 --> 00:32:39,150 not just like these big ancient spirits 817 00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:41,280 or ancient gods that we think of but 818 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:43,950 your own ancestors you know and another 819 00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:45,630 thing you pointed out to me is that over 820 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,180 the course of human timeline it may seem 821 00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:50,460 very strange to have ancestor altar and 822 00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:53,070 talk to your ancestors today but the 823 00:32:57,170 --> 00:32:55,380 sliver of time where it isn't weird is a 824 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:57,180 much much larger you know the whole 825 00:33:01,520 --> 00:32:59,250 human timeline we've paid homage to our 826 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:01,530 ancestors except for right now you know 827 00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,570 so we're stuck in a time where it seems 828 00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:05,220 weird but actually we're the exception 829 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:07,590 to that rule and I've been getting into 830 00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:09,000 that a little bit more but I have a hard 831 00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:09,540 time 832 00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:12,900 rationalizing communicating with spirits 833 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:15,300 my own ancestors with the idea that 834 00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:17,490 people come back with past life memories 835 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:20,400 and you know how do we figure out how to 836 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,710 fit that piece in you know is my grandma 837 00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:25,140 always here to be accessed or is she 838 00:33:30,890 --> 00:33:27,470 being cycled in through another life 839 00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:30,900 it's a big can of lungs man but it is a 840 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:33,390 can of even contradictory to it all they 841 00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:37,050 they're all I think paradoxical as soon 842 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:40,680 as you step into them and I think that 843 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,810 you know this is like skeptical kind of 844 00:33:47,050 --> 00:33:44,700 stuff that we've kind of explored and I 845 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:47,060 think there's a there's a limit to 846 00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:49,490 rational inquiry into those topics 847 00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,940 because I don't know but it does seem to 848 00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:55,200 make sense to me 849 00:34:00,620 --> 00:33:57,750 that part of the way that the whole 850 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:00,630 thing is structured is that we are going 851 00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:03,210 to have very limited access to that 852 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:06,030 information and people are trying to 853 00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:09,270 work the system you know so bushes are 854 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:10,620 going through the rituals and other 855 00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:11,880 people are going through these rituals 856 00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:14,220 say give me more give me more access but 857 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:16,859 when you look at some of the spiritual 858 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:19,049 seekers legitimate ones through time 859 00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:20,729 what they've said is really kind of the 860 00:34:25,009 --> 00:34:23,279 opposite they've said avoid that they 861 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,019 don't say it's not real 862 00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,639 they don't say you can't talk to the 863 00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:28,379 spirits they don't say you can't develop 864 00:34:33,289 --> 00:34:30,899 these psychic abilities for lack of a 865 00:34:36,619 --> 00:34:33,299 better term but they say is that's not 866 00:34:39,709 --> 00:34:36,629 really going to get you anywhere where 867 00:34:41,509 --> 00:34:39,719 you really want to be well I think 868 00:34:43,489 --> 00:34:41,519 there's a wisdom to that because I think 869 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:43,499 that we do experience this treading 870 00:34:47,959 --> 00:34:46,529 water kind of thing if there is a you 871 00:34:49,999 --> 00:34:47,969 know I just finished an interview with a 872 00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,009 near-death experience researcher who I 873 00:34:56,029 --> 00:34:53,099 really really respect and appreciate dr. 874 00:34:57,799 --> 00:34:56,039 Jeffery long and he did this book and we 875 00:34:59,209 --> 00:34:57,809 did the show on skeptic oh and I got a 876 00:35:02,209 --> 00:34:59,219 lot of pushback right off the bat 877 00:35:04,789 --> 00:35:02,219 because the book is about God this guy 878 00:35:07,069 --> 00:35:04,799 is not a religious guy he is does not 879 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:07,079 have religious agenda he's just 880 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:09,209 following the NDE data and when you 881 00:35:14,509 --> 00:35:10,859 follow the near-death experience data 882 00:35:16,579 --> 00:35:14,519 what people say is God hierarchy of 883 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,589 consciousness there is good there is 884 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:18,660 heading towards it and what makes sense 885 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:21,690 to me in that is that yeah we can play 886 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:24,569 around down here with all this stuff but 887 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:27,690 we're just treading water we're just if 888 00:35:33,259 --> 00:35:30,089 we really want to advance it takes 889 00:35:35,689 --> 00:35:33,269 something of a different order of 890 00:35:37,789 --> 00:35:35,699 magnitude a different dimension and that 891 00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:37,799 so again there's you know yeah if you 892 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:39,150 want to do that stuff that's why but 893 00:35:44,779 --> 00:35:40,650 where are you really getting you know 894 00:35:46,999 --> 00:35:44,789 yeah I I think that the whole a lot of 895 00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:47,009 the nine-to-five reality yeah it's a 896 00:35:51,229 --> 00:35:48,630 money game for these people but it also 897 00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:51,239 keeps us from developing ourselves 898 00:35:54,289 --> 00:35:52,619 further from getting deeper 899 00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:54,299 again with the psychedelics being 900 00:35:58,939 --> 00:35:57,180 illegal these are the things that open 901 00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,949 you up to these new ideas these strange 902 00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,440 ideas that get you start to reflect on 903 00:36:05,269 --> 00:36:03,900 your life what you're doing here where 904 00:36:07,189 --> 00:36:05,279 you can go with it how much of it is 905 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,199 manipulatable can I manifest my own 906 00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:09,119 reality how to what degree does that 907 00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:10,920 work those are the things that I think 908 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,839 people should be exploring should be 909 00:36:17,779 --> 00:36:15,359 looking at and we're really just trained 910 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:17,789 not to you know meditation you go to 911 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:20,130 school for the first you know crucial 912 00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,410 decade of your life is it ever brought 913 00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:24,420 up is it ever brought up that you should 914 00:36:27,259 --> 00:36:26,190 really reflect on your own mind and 915 00:36:28,969 --> 00:36:27,269 strengthen it and 916 00:36:31,099 --> 00:36:28,979 you know get in tune with your thoughts 917 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:31,109 never it's never it's always just about 918 00:36:34,279 --> 00:36:32,609 that you are more how about just that 919 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:34,289 you are more than your thoughts you are 920 00:36:41,289 --> 00:36:37,649 more than just you know biological kind 921 00:36:44,209 --> 00:36:41,299 of robot thing that that we talk about 922 00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:44,219 in terms of you know some kind of 923 00:36:48,499 --> 00:36:46,140 spiritual presence I I consider myself 924 00:36:50,359 --> 00:36:48,509 pretty energetically dense I've been to 925 00:36:51,769 --> 00:36:50,369 really haunted areas where people say 926 00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:51,779 they feel something I don't feel 927 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:52,380 anything 928 00:36:55,729 --> 00:36:54,390 I appreciate it I'm from a third-party 929 00:36:57,769 --> 00:36:55,739 standpoint that there's probably 930 00:37:00,889 --> 00:36:57,779 something there they're not all line but 931 00:37:04,309 --> 00:37:00,899 I don't experience much personally that 932 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:04,319 isn't driven by psychedelics but a quick 933 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:07,529 story I was on this this is - er - 934 00:37:10,969 --> 00:37:09,209 promoting this movie we were going to a 935 00:37:13,249 --> 00:37:10,979 few different stops this movie Don 936 00:37:15,439 --> 00:37:13,259 peyote it's kind of like you know hon 937 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:15,449 rest Thompson psychedelic thing and we 938 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:17,249 went to a few different premieres up and 939 00:37:22,099 --> 00:37:19,140 down the west coast and when we got to 940 00:37:24,049 --> 00:37:22,109 Big Sur like I knew getting on this bus 941 00:37:25,399 --> 00:37:24,059 there was a good chance psychedelics 942 00:37:27,469 --> 00:37:25,409 we're gonna get involved and I had said 943 00:37:28,999 --> 00:37:27,479 to myself I'm kind of done with that 944 00:37:31,489 --> 00:37:29,009 like Timothy Leary says when you get the 945 00:37:33,259 --> 00:37:31,499 message hang up the phone I don't need 946 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:33,269 anything but weed anymore I don't really 947 00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,679 want to go down there so I was pretty 948 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:36,599 much guarded and had made my mind up I 949 00:37:42,379 --> 00:37:39,089 might take a cap or something a mushroom 950 00:37:44,209 --> 00:37:42,389 maybe but I'm not gonna go deep and the 951 00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,219 world had other plans for me man because 952 00:37:49,009 --> 00:37:46,380 I'd never done LSD and a lot of things 953 00:37:51,139 --> 00:37:49,019 not LSD in particular and we get picked 954 00:37:52,699 --> 00:37:51,149 up by this mom and daughter and they're 955 00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,709 driving us through the woods of Big Sur 956 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:54,119 and then they tell us that they're on 957 00:37:57,949 --> 00:37:56,249 LSD that they had found at a concert 958 00:38:01,009 --> 00:37:57,959 this and I'm like you're driving us on 959 00:38:03,859 --> 00:38:01,019 LSD with your daughter and from a 960 00:38:07,309 --> 00:38:03,869 perspective of you know a spiritual 961 00:38:11,029 --> 00:38:07,319 world manipulating me they put me in 962 00:38:14,059 --> 00:38:11,039 like the safest environment they tricked 963 00:38:16,399 --> 00:38:14,069 me it was total trickery because it was 964 00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:16,409 the most comfortable safest way to 965 00:38:20,449 --> 00:38:18,569 introduce this to me because I'm like 966 00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,459 okay this mom and daughter they're 967 00:38:24,529 --> 00:38:22,619 they're you know very disarming you know 968 00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:24,539 they seem together and so they're like 969 00:38:28,219 --> 00:38:26,099 here we'll give you a hit and I'm like 970 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:28,229 okay forty minutes later I don't feel 971 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:29,770 anything they give 972 00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,040 I'd take five hits of this acid and then 973 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:35,680 when I it's the second I'm separated 974 00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:38,110 from the group it all hits me like a ton 975 00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:40,180 of bricks and I'm Way out of my mind and 976 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:42,040 I'm in a level I did not want to get to 977 00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,250 and I felt like when I reflect back on 978 00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,160 that I felt played from a higher level I 979 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:51,040 felt like these these were kind of you 980 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:53,350 know actors who are put in place to kind 981 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:55,690 of in a tremendous way make me 982 00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,450 comfortable with the idea that I already 983 00:39:00,990 --> 00:38:59,920 decided I was like definitely not going 984 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:01,000 to go down that route 985 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:03,730 and when it was all said and done at 986 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:04,990 three o'clock in the morning when 987 00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:06,910 everybody has passed out and I'm wide 988 00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:10,540 awake in peeking on acid I look up at 989 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:13,630 this in this particular star and this 990 00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:15,990 star basically in a in a you know 991 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:18,040 consciousness the consciousness way it 992 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:20,110 was like hey man what's going on here's 993 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:22,210 here's what's going on in my entire life 994 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:25,630 and I saw you know I time was going who 995 00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:28,210 knows how much time it took but a star 996 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:30,460 walked me through the timeline of its 997 00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:32,410 existence and the planets that have been 998 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:34,360 revolving around it and oh we had life 999 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:36,010 pop up on this one for a little while 1000 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:38,350 and then it went away this one ran into 1001 00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,570 that one and then like it showed me all 1002 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:42,420 this in a matter of like ten minutes and 1003 00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:47,080 I was like this is what the ancients 1004 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:49,480 were doing you know this right here what 1005 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:51,130 I'm experiencing now this is how it 1006 00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:53,410 works you know and when they the fact 1007 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:55,000 that all our gods coordinated with 1008 00:39:59,340 --> 00:39:57,490 celestial bodies this to me is getting 1009 00:40:01,140 --> 00:39:59,350 right at the heart of what what they 1010 00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,150 were all about so I felt like this 1011 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:03,520 experience played me and it got me to 1012 00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,310 this particular node on of understanding 1013 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:09,280 and that was the purpose and with the 1014 00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:10,810 Levin that with the Peter lavinda stuff 1015 00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:12,700 that's kind of my own personal 1016 00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:14,230 experience where I'm like yeah there are 1017 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:16,120 spiritual forces they do influence 1018 00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:18,850 things and they they can manipulate you 1019 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:20,500 and people always talk about practicing 1020 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,750 mindfulness that's a part of mindfulness 1021 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:24,880 you know we're being in the moment all 1022 00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:25,600 these buzzwords 1023 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:28,270 really do consider it and consider why 1024 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:30,730 you know you've made certain choices in 1025 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:32,650 your life and you'll find that there are 1026 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:34,630 puppet strings on us and all kinds of 1027 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,170 ways spiritual you know conspiratorial 1028 00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:40,180 you know there's a lot going on that 1029 00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:41,320 people are not paying 1030 00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:44,980 - but that just that whole experience to 1031 00:40:51,330 --> 00:40:48,520 me was like okay I get I get a lot of 1032 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,340 what when you see these pyramids aligned 1033 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:52,720 to Orion's belt 1034 00:40:57,210 --> 00:40:55,060 you see these references to the stars 1035 00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:57,220 okay now I see how they could actually 1036 00:41:01,380 --> 00:40:59,290 communicate and that's maybe an animist 1037 00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:01,390 perspective that all living things have 1038 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,980 a consciousness and like how could you 1039 00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:04,480 communicate with the star you stupid 1040 00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:07,120 hippies well I don't know but that's the 1041 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:09,820 experience I had well I think it's it's 1042 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:12,190 awesome and I think it's it's hard to 1043 00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,690 challenge on a number of different 1044 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:15,280 levels you know what else I took away 1045 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:19,120 from that story is to me you hit upon I 1046 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:20,730 think one of the really great things 1047 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:23,740 that you do with the higher side chats 1048 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:27,910 and that the conspiratorial worldview if 1049 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:31,210 you will is all about that story you 1050 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:35,170 know it's opening up to experience more 1051 00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:38,590 it's letting the camera lens open up and 1052 00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:40,780 then still filtering it but not 1053 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:43,000 filtering it until it comes all the way 1054 00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:43,570 in 1055 00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:49,150 so as we wrap up talked more about what 1056 00:41:55,830 --> 00:41:52,990 you've learned about conspiracy theory 1057 00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,840 if you will in terms of how it relates 1058 00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:58,720 to other aspects of life which I think 1059 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,380 that is a great example as is your whole 1060 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:04,480 willingness and openness to say hey you 1061 00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:07,810 know what I through spirituality out the 1062 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:09,820 window and I shouldn't have I'm gonna 1063 00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:13,990 let it back in because I'm into paradigm 1064 00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:15,700 busting which is really what conspiracy 1065 00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,520 theory is all about definitely one 1066 00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,800 aspect is that it's important to 1067 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:22,960 separate data from interpretation I know 1068 00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:24,970 you talk about a lot of data here that's 1069 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:26,920 up you know that line is something 1070 00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:28,510 Gordon has just drilled into my head 1071 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:31,180 he's been a pretty good mentor to tell 1072 00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:34,510 you the truth but you have you can you 1073 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:36,280 have to be able to when you're listening 1074 00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:38,170 to a guy talk for two hours about the 1075 00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:40,030 research you have to be able to say okay 1076 00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,670 where was the research and where was the 1077 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:45,040 spin you put on it you know because you 1078 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,510 can look at the same day that it come to 1079 00:42:50,609 --> 00:42:48,640 different conclusions so it is important 1080 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:50,619 to separate data from 1081 00:42:55,259 --> 00:42:53,529 not to go too off the rails on some of 1082 00:42:57,900 --> 00:42:55,269 their interpretations and conclusions 1083 00:43:00,509 --> 00:42:57,910 when the data doesn't necessarily get 1084 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:00,519 you there so that's kind of an important 1085 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:03,249 aspect of it the other thing is singular 1086 00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:04,329 narratives 1087 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:06,910 I am very attracted to singular 1088 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:08,890 narratives the idea that I want to I 1089 00:43:13,049 --> 00:43:11,170 want to figure out who is the capstone 1090 00:43:14,579 --> 00:43:13,059 of the pyramid that's who it is 1091 00:43:16,769 --> 00:43:14,589 and there and everything else is 1092 00:43:19,890 --> 00:43:16,779 underneath them and I think that in the 1093 00:43:22,109 --> 00:43:19,900 conspiratorial mind is something that a 1094 00:43:26,099 --> 00:43:22,119 lot of people grab and say - is it the 1095 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:26,109 Jews is it the secret Nazis is it you 1096 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,150 know the Jesuits is it something on the 1097 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:30,400 spiritual plane is it Satan 1098 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:33,190 well maybe it's a lot of stuff maybe 1099 00:43:37,319 --> 00:43:35,170 there's multiple power centers maybe 1100 00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:37,329 there is a Jewish power center that 1101 00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:39,700 controls aspects of banking and is 1102 00:43:44,009 --> 00:43:41,380 trying to get to the top of the pyramid 1103 00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:44,019 while there's also elements of Nazis 1104 00:43:47,099 --> 00:43:45,400 from Project Paperclip that are now 1105 00:43:48,509 --> 00:43:47,109 obviously most of the American 1106 00:43:50,819 --> 00:43:48,519 government let's talk about that for a 1107 00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:50,829 minute cuz that's a really you know a 1108 00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:53,819 lightning-rod issue to go into one is I 1109 00:44:01,440 --> 00:43:57,609 think that the Jewish issue and the 1110 00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:01,450 Zionist issue is really good one to talk 1111 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:04,200 about on a couple levels because first 1112 00:44:09,089 --> 00:44:07,210 we're real comfortable deconstructing 1113 00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:09,099 Christianity and saying oh well that's 1114 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:11,140 just a mind control meme you know 1115 00:44:17,099 --> 00:44:14,049 clearly there but do we go and say well 1116 00:44:21,209 --> 00:44:17,109 the New Testament and the Jewish thing 1117 00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:21,219 and Jehovah nonsense 1118 00:44:26,459 --> 00:44:24,430 oh no that that somehow stands apart 1119 00:44:28,469 --> 00:44:26,469 from it well of course it doesn't 1120 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:28,479 there's no way it could and once you 1121 00:44:32,249 --> 00:44:30,609 walk into those waters then I think we 1122 00:44:34,529 --> 00:44:32,259 have to have a different really 1123 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:34,539 orientation about what we mean when we 1124 00:44:38,489 --> 00:44:37,450 say Jewish and when we mean that I think 1125 00:44:42,029 --> 00:44:38,499 a lot of times what we're talking about 1126 00:44:43,979 --> 00:44:42,039 are secular Jewish people with a Jewish 1127 00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:43,989 tradition in the United States who 1128 00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:46,839 mainly identify with two things they 1129 00:44:51,569 --> 00:44:49,180 identify with the Holocaust and they 1130 00:44:53,969 --> 00:44:51,579 identify with Israel and that's totally 1131 00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:53,979 understandable I'm not I'm not 1132 00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:55,900 criticizing that as all those are two 1133 00:45:01,920 --> 00:44:59,410 huge events one the Holocaust thing is 1134 00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:01,930 important event and I think you know 1135 00:45:04,539 --> 00:45:03,380 these Holocaust deniers are 1136 00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,549 sink to them and that's a whole other 1137 00:45:08,529 --> 00:45:06,440 thing you can get into cuz a couple of 1138 00:45:09,970 --> 00:45:08,539 them slip in here and there I think a 1139 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:09,980 couple of them slipped into your shows 1140 00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,170 you know I think it's just complete 1141 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:14,480 [\h__\h] because history doesn't support 1142 00:45:18,279 --> 00:45:16,130 it and when you really push those people 1143 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:18,289 their arguments just sounds so lame it's 1144 00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:20,450 like well they didn't really kill the 1145 00:45:23,789 --> 00:45:22,220 the Nazis didn't really kill six million 1146 00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:23,799 they killed four million it's like 1147 00:45:37,569 --> 00:45:26,480 really that's where you're gonna want to 1148 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:37,579 kind of draw your whole thing like you 1149 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:39,170 know why would they tattoo the arms and 1150 00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:40,490 they're just gonna kill everybody it's 1151 00:45:44,349 --> 00:45:42,619 like well you're right they were work 1152 00:45:46,509 --> 00:45:44,359 camps but they are working till you die 1153 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:46,519 and then others throwing in the fire you 1154 00:45:51,999 --> 00:45:48,650 know I spoke to a guy and you gotta mind 1155 00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:52,009 your show Jana would ya I'm sorry Yan or 1156 00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:54,440 went in he didn't reveal himself he 1157 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:56,029 didn't reveal himself to you as being 1158 00:46:00,099 --> 00:45:57,650 this kind of Holocaust and I hate the 1159 00:46:02,109 --> 00:46:00,109 word denier but I mean that's the term 1160 00:46:03,789 --> 00:46:02,119 that we have but he did to me because I 1161 00:46:05,950 --> 00:46:03,799 was gonna interview him and he starts 1162 00:46:08,289 --> 00:46:05,960 feeding me all this stuff and I'm like 1163 00:46:10,269 --> 00:46:08,299 I'm like you are I mean I'm open 9:00 1164 00:46:13,150 --> 00:46:10,279 then I'll listen to anybody you know I'm 1165 00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:13,160 not turned off you know Oh Holocaust you 1166 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:14,750 know didn't happen great you know some 1167 00:46:18,579 --> 00:46:16,250 of this stuff so we start exchanging 1168 00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:18,589 emails back and forth and I just sent 1169 00:46:22,539 --> 00:46:20,420 him the you know there's a movie 1170 00:46:23,950 --> 00:46:22,549 strangely enough named conspiracy that 1171 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:23,960 was out about ten years ago and it's 1172 00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,930 this movie about this meeting that they 1173 00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:28,640 had when they're plotting the final 1174 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:30,200 solution so I had all the 1175 00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,200 highest-ranking Nazi guys there and 1176 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:34,640 amazingly we have a transcript a real 1177 00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:36,470 legitimate transcript from that well 1178 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:37,849 they're planning they're clearly 1179 00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:39,890 planning the final solution all these 1180 00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:41,240 guys it's the guns sitting around and I 1181 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:42,740 say well how can we do it we can put 1182 00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:43,910 them all these in these trucks and we 1183 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:46,220 can send the the gas in that way and 1184 00:46:49,809 --> 00:46:47,690 it's this and they're also dealing with 1185 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,819 the problem that that hey that the 1186 00:46:53,859 --> 00:46:52,400 German army not that they're great or 1187 00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:53,869 that they should be let off the hook but 1188 00:46:58,059 --> 00:46:55,430 they're like you know they're not really 1189 00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:58,069 liking killing all these Jewish people 1190 00:47:01,690 --> 00:46:59,720 are they're like hey you know what 1191 00:47:03,549 --> 00:47:01,700 killing civilians it's not like what we 1192 00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:03,559 signed up for you know hey we have to 1193 00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:05,000 find another way to do this so these 1194 00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,470 guys are problem solving they're good 1195 00:47:10,029 --> 00:47:08,240 German problem solvers you know and 1196 00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:10,039 however we want to spin that we can spin 1197 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:12,680 it but that's what I hit yon with I go 1198 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:14,930 like okay well what about this I mean 1199 00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:16,130 this seems sure and 1200 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:17,630 it's just like all the other stuff we 1201 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:19,070 talk about it's like a total deflection 1202 00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:20,930 doesn't want to go there doesn't want to 1203 00:47:26,590 --> 00:47:23,030 incorporate in it's like no I don't have 1204 00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:26,600 a I'm not of a Jewish tradition so I 1205 00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,070 don't really have a dog in this fight I 1206 00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:31,040 don't believe that Yahweh that crazy 1207 00:47:35,950 --> 00:47:34,310 Thunder God that was him and his wife 1208 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:35,960 people were worshipping in and then we 1209 00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:38,740 kind of slipped that into being this 1210 00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:42,380 Judaism monotheism it's all [\h__\h] so 1211 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:44,060 I don't have any attachment to that I'm 1212 00:47:49,090 --> 00:47:45,650 just looking at history the way it is 1213 00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:49,100 but when you look at the zionist thing 1214 00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:52,460 it kind of looks a lot different and one 1215 00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,510 of the things I appreciate about your 1216 00:47:59,620 --> 00:47:56,480 show is that you're willing to go there 1217 00:48:02,140 --> 00:47:59,630 well you know what was going on with 1218 00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:02,150 those kids those Mossad kids who were 1219 00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:05,030 across the river in New Jersey and were 1220 00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:08,600 set up to videotape the 9/11 what is 1221 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:12,230 Mossad doing there but the NAM be 1222 00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:13,730 interested in this is a long rant but 1223 00:48:18,490 --> 00:48:15,740 interested in what you're here how 1224 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:18,500 anyone can look at that and say okay so 1225 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:20,450 the Mossad is involved in 9/11 their 1226 00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:21,770 fingerprints were all over it it seems 1227 00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,140 to me but they're clearly not pulling 1228 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:26,000 the strings right I mean I can't put 1229 00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,210 that together I mean the bushes look a 1230 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:31,040 lot it and maybe the bushes like you 1231 00:48:35,770 --> 00:48:34,010 can't suggested with russ Baker maybe 1232 00:48:39,790 --> 00:48:35,780 they're just the Waterboys for somebody 1233 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:39,800 else but clearly Mossad is the Waterboys 1234 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:42,050 for the bushes because the bushes have 1235 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:43,730 the Saudis doing one thing and they have 1236 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:45,770 the Mossad doing another so when you 1237 00:48:50,050 --> 00:48:47,930 talk about this pyramid or what you say 1238 00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:50,060 the primary source of the primary thing 1239 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:52,550 I mean they up there on the top we have 1240 00:48:57,850 --> 00:48:54,890 to keep climbin exactly yeah it's way 1241 00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:57,860 more complicated than people than the 1242 00:49:02,620 --> 00:48:59,810 single narrative hypothesis which is 1243 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:02,630 like it is the you know X Y or Z group 1244 00:49:06,970 --> 00:49:04,610 that is at the top it's actually a huge 1245 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:06,980 mix and there's a bunch of just one of 1246 00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:09,050 the easiest things to realize that 1247 00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:10,550 there's no difference between Democrats 1248 00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:12,200 and Republicans right tell us paradigm 1249 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:14,390 that's completely 101 understandings 1250 00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:16,850 well take that further and say there's 1251 00:49:21,310 --> 00:49:18,710 not much of a difference between other 1252 00:49:23,290 --> 00:49:21,320 groups like Mossad or the CIA like there 1253 00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,300 I think that a lot of these groups are 1254 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:25,040 kind of set in opposition and they might 1255 00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,810 not be just in something 1256 00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:28,400 behind the curtain you know they might 1257 00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,560 be run by the same organizations to some 1258 00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:32,000 degree mean you got your thing tanks 1259 00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:33,620 your Council on Foreign Relations you're 1260 00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:35,660 building Birds yeah the trilateral 1261 00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:37,790 commission these think tanks have huge 1262 00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:39,830 influence and you can find members of 1263 00:49:44,350 --> 00:49:41,660 them and all these different groups so 1264 00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:44,360 it is weird but with the with the world 1265 00:49:50,350 --> 00:49:48,140 war two Nazi thing I think that's a 1266 00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:50,360 deeper story then we're probably ever 1267 00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:51,950 going to know and I think it gets back 1268 00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:54,680 into bloodlines and you know what this 1269 00:49:58,810 --> 00:49:56,510 whole Canobie cetera acknowledged 1270 00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:58,820 because Hitler wanted what blond hair 1271 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:00,710 blue eyes he doesn't even have that so 1272 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:02,570 this is very strange and then you have a 1273 00:50:05,530 --> 00:50:04,250 UFO encounters where people like oh 1274 00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:05,540 there's a bunch of little greys and then 1275 00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:07,190 one tall nordic blond-haired blue-eyed 1276 00:50:11,860 --> 00:50:09,620 being well what the [\h__\h] is going on 1277 00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:11,870 there you know the Nazis have the secret 1278 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:13,880 technology they're messing with you know 1279 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:15,860 mercury rotation engines and the Nazi 1280 00:50:20,590 --> 00:50:18,290 Bell this is getting close to the flying 1281 00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:20,600 saucers that spin in anti-gravity seems 1282 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:23,180 to be very connected to this you know 1283 00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:25,250 blocked off quarantine part of physics 1284 00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:31,670 so it is strange why a guy would be so 1285 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:35,960 hell-bent on destroying just one race 1286 00:50:41,050 --> 00:50:38,810 and trying to engineer people to look a 1287 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:41,060 certain way but I think that's kind of a 1288 00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:43,850 mistreating I mean in 1492 Columbus 1289 00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:48,020 sailed the ocean blue also in 1492 Spain 1290 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:50,990 throughout all the Jewish people in 1291 00:50:58,450 --> 00:50:53,560 their country so there has been this 1292 00:51:04,180 --> 00:50:58,460 long-standing kind of hatred of of these 1293 00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:04,190 people and well well I personally and 1294 00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:05,750 then that gets into all I mean there's 1295 00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:08,060 many many people have explored this in 1296 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:10,100 many different dimensions when is it 1297 00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:11,810 it's an anti-christian thing right so 1298 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:13,400 for hundreds of years we set up and 1299 00:51:17,830 --> 00:51:15,050 these people have killed Christ you know 1300 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:17,840 they're the bad guys and I think just 1301 00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:19,250 from a cultural standpoint you look at 1302 00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:20,600 it and they kind of turned it to their 1303 00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:23,240 favor they said okay we're different 1304 00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:25,460 we're gonna be good with being different 1305 00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,110 we're gonna promote being different 1306 00:51:30,490 --> 00:51:28,880 we're on the outsider group and we're 1307 00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:30,500 going to build around a certain amount 1308 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:32,870 of values those values education money 1309 00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:34,730 and these other things and we're going 1310 00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:37,340 to look for gaps in the system like hey 1311 00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:39,260 you guys don't think lending money is a 1312 00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:40,310 good thing no 1313 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:42,590 problem for us will lend money and just 1314 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:44,390 it's just any group would have done that 1315 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:46,430 who is an outsider group who didn't have 1316 00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,930 to play the game there's certain 1317 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:49,280 advantages that and then when you focus 1318 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:51,890 on education it's - it's also to your 1319 00:51:54,070 --> 00:51:52,370 advantage 1320 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:54,080 I'm not saying that's what happened I'm 1321 00:51:58,510 --> 00:51:56,810 just saying that to me is a reasonable 1322 00:52:01,600 --> 00:51:58,520 explanation for why you get this 1323 00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:01,610 outsider group that then continues to 1324 00:52:07,090 --> 00:52:04,460 have conflict with the main group and is 1325 00:52:09,490 --> 00:52:07,100 hated by the main group but maybe you 1326 00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:09,500 know it's understandable from some very 1327 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:12,470 basic reasons but as far as Hitler 1328 00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:14,330 you know executing this kind of final 1329 00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:16,340 solution being all that I mean no one 1330 00:52:20,140 --> 00:52:18,740 else would take the Jewish people right 1331 00:52:21,970 --> 00:52:20,150 I mean there's all this there's this 1332 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:21,980 huge prejudice in the United States and 1333 00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:24,170 in all these other countries so to a 1334 00:52:27,550 --> 00:52:25,910 certain extent I think Hitler was like 1335 00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:27,560 hey we're all in the same boat right we 1336 00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:29,360 all hate these Jewish people you know 1337 00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:31,550 and then it turns out and you feel like 1338 00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:34,430 well no not like that you idiot you know 1339 00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:36,740 but I don't know I mean I'm just I'm 1340 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:41,750 totally making it up a minute you can go 1341 00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:43,670 down the road of you know the Rothschild 1342 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:45,710 power center and that this being the 1343 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:48,050 head of a Jewish banking system that is 1344 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:49,610 fractional reserve banking which is 1345 00:52:53,410 --> 00:52:51,170 obviously debt based which kind of 1346 00:52:55,090 --> 00:52:53,420 enslaves the nation and when you go to 1347 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:55,100 those but I think that's way overblown 1348 00:53:00,160 --> 00:52:57,290 that's kind of [\h__\h] II in a way 1349 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:00,170 because you know otherwise how else you 1350 00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:01,850 gonna do it right you're gonna print 1351 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:03,140 money so you're gonna have the 1352 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:04,490 government print money you're gonna have 1353 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:06,050 somebody else print money now I think 1354 00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:08,810 the the Federal Reserve is a total sham 1355 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:11,270 and I think it's for all the reasons but 1356 00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:13,370 this idea of fractional currency I think 1357 00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,310 it's really really gets spun out of 1358 00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:19,280 control it's like we all want to do that 1359 00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:21,340 we have a we have a desire to kind of 1360 00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:24,260 have money and have the ability to lend 1361 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:26,030 out money and there you know that's why 1362 00:53:29,530 --> 00:53:27,770 you only have to put 10% down to buy a 1363 00:53:32,110 --> 00:53:29,540 house well that's the same way that the 1364 00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:32,120 bank is doing it the that part of it to 1365 00:53:35,050 --> 00:53:32,540 me 1366 00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:35,060 I think it's overblown when people say 1367 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:37,460 you know debt is the problem it's like 1368 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:40,070 hey you want me to loan you 20 bucks for 1369 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:42,290 a lunch I'll do it but then if you want 1370 00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:43,610 to turn around and say oh but we 1371 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:44,990 shouldn't charge any interest for that 1372 00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:46,730 you shouldn't get anything back like I 1373 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:49,310 say there's a time value of money so 1374 00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:52,490 debt is I think it just gets whacked out 1375 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:53,600 there in a way 1376 00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:55,730 it is part of the room there has to be 1377 00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:57,470 an incentive to lend somebody money you 1378 00:54:01,780 --> 00:53:59,120 have to get something back then what you 1379 00:54:05,530 --> 00:54:01,790 already had but I don't really think 1380 00:54:07,450 --> 00:54:05,540 it's overblown because it's its debt 1381 00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:07,460 that keeps a lot of people in line and 1382 00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:08,540 there's many different banking 1383 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:10,190 structures if you study that like 1384 00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:12,110 there's public banking North Dakota has 1385 00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:14,510 its own I was just gonna say right so so 1386 00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:16,550 North Dakota let's say North to cook to 1387 00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,920 me North Dakota is the model right but 1388 00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:21,440 they still have fractional fractional 1389 00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:23,840 banking they still lend a little bit one 1390 00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:25,190 thing that the conspiracy theorists 1391 00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:28,280 always talk about is the debt cannot be 1392 00:54:32,890 --> 00:54:30,440 paid an individual's debt because only 1393 00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:32,900 the bank prints money so think of it as 1394 00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:34,910 like a game of musical chairs when the 1395 00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:36,830 bank breaks off money and charges 1396 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:39,500 interest that interest the money to 1397 00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:41,570 cover that interest doesn't exist it 1398 00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:42,740 hasn't been printed because if they 1399 00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:44,600 print a million dollars and lend it out 1400 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:46,940 and they want 10% interest you know 1401 00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:48,290 where is that other money coming the 1402 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:50,300 point is is that it'll never be fade and 1403 00:54:53,410 --> 00:54:51,650 there will always be people on the 1404 00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:53,420 hamster wheel who can't get out of debt 1405 00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:55,070 and that keeps you from going out on the 1406 00:54:58,420 --> 00:54:56,540 street and protesting because you got to 1407 00:55:01,540 --> 00:54:58,430 get to work tomorrow cuz that mortgages 1408 00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,550 do and it keeps people in a subservient 1409 00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:03,680 position student loan debt that's the 1410 00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:05,030 number one thing the Millennials are 1411 00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:06,500 going through right now is we were sold 1412 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:08,180 this bill of goods that to get a good 1413 00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:10,130 job you have to go into debt and now 1414 00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:11,840 there's no jobs to get it and we're 1415 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:13,910 still on the hook for all this money so 1416 00:55:17,830 --> 00:55:16,250 I hear you but I think we're spending a 1417 00:55:19,570 --> 00:55:17,840 couple and I think this is one of the 1418 00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:19,580 problems with what they do here is 1419 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:20,840 they're kind of spinning a couple of 1420 00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:21,890 different things like you can never 1421 00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:25,070 repay the debt is true from a systemic 1422 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:28,460 kind of global system but who the [\h__\h] 1423 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:31,730 cares about that you can reap no you can 1424 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:35,210 repay your debt I live in a really nice 1425 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:38,210 house I have an excess money I get 1426 00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,050 interest on investments all over the 1427 00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,960 place I can repay my debt I know that 1428 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:46,880 most they know that like the blank if 1429 00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:48,890 you're running the country you know that 1430 00:55:54,070 --> 00:55:50,990 only a fraction of people are going to 1431 00:55:58,030 --> 00:55:54,080 get to that level I think that's one of 1432 00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,040 the dangers of this conspiracy stuff is 1433 00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,240 it it can become an excuse to look at 1434 00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:05,440 our real stuff which is you know what 1435 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:07,700 that wasn't a good decision 1436 00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:11,690 for me to stay in San Diego it wasn't a 1437 00:56:16,810 --> 00:56:14,630 good decision for me to take that job I 1438 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:16,820 should have taken this other job I 1439 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:18,770 shouldn't have at least that car I 1440 00:56:23,230 --> 00:56:21,050 should have driven my other car two 1441 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:23,240 years longer and you know I should have 1442 00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:24,650 figured out a way to work but you know 1443 00:56:28,839 --> 00:56:26,630 I'm saying give me a blame mechanism I'm 1444 00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:28,849 like you know I'm in a shitty position 1445 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:31,250 because the rothschild said the exact 1446 00:56:36,849 --> 00:56:34,130 and now I'm [\h__\h] and I definitely get 1447 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:36,859 that and I think that there is you know 1448 00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:38,690 we do give a little bit too much power 1449 00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:40,910 to the idea that you can't make it 1450 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:43,430 because of the system right and that's 1451 00:56:47,859 --> 00:56:45,050 what I was saying earlier like I wanted 1452 00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:47,869 to get an accurate view of the game 1453 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:49,460 we're playing and then I wanted to be 1454 00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:51,290 like okay now that I see the game for 1455 00:56:54,099 --> 00:56:52,400 what it is not what I was taught in 1456 00:56:56,349 --> 00:56:54,109 school but what it actually is 1457 00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:56,359 now I can move my pieces a little better 1458 00:57:01,300 --> 00:56:58,910 and instead of just waiting for the 1459 00:57:03,370 --> 00:57:01,310 revolution and the Occupy movement to 1460 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:03,380 make out all my problems go away I'm 1461 00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:05,450 gonna have to do this my own way and I 1462 00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,380 have you have but I still you know look 1463 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:11,359 at every intersection in San Diego and 1464 00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:13,010 see for homeless people begging for 1465 00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,750 changing you know you can chalk that up 1466 00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:16,640 to laziness or not making the right 1467 00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:19,550 decisions but I think that when you get 1468 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:21,230 the macro view when you look at the 1469 00:57:25,870 --> 00:57:22,970 Institute errs of the Federals that are 1470 00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:25,880 the Institute of the system they're 1471 00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,950 concerned with keeping their power and 1472 00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:29,839 making sure that the masses don't rise 1473 00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:31,849 up against them and if you let some 1474 00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:34,940 outliers through and have success that's 1475 00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:37,310 not gonna really do anything to hurt you 1476 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:40,430 but if the masses were to all of a 1477 00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:42,890 sudden everybody takes mushrooms and 1478 00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:44,060 says yeah what the [\h__\h] are we doing 1479 00:57:48,339 --> 00:57:46,520 this is all [\h__\h] you know then there 1480 00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:48,349 might be an actual uprising if people 1481 00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:50,660 were to say hey this is death that I'm 1482 00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:52,430 in is really just a number on a screen 1483 00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:53,960 it doesn't mean anything 1484 00:57:59,050 --> 00:57:56,420 like it's just green paper it's monopoly 1485 00:58:01,809 --> 00:57:59,060 money a lot of the way they do control 1486 00:58:03,370 --> 00:58:01,819 us by creating this paradigm and we're 1487 00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,380 making it an uphill battle you know 1488 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:05,119 we're like Sam and trying to swim 1489 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:07,970 upstream like it does it is like a flow 1490 00:58:11,710 --> 00:58:10,010 to knock you down and some of us 1491 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:11,720 make it you know some of us make it up 1492 00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:14,570 there but from their view I think they 1493 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:16,460 know that the masses you know you go 1494 00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:18,050 back to the Midwest you know every 1495 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:20,060 friend I grew up with they don't believe 1496 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:21,770 in the conspiracy [\h__\h] and they have 1497 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:23,930 a regular nine-to-five job and ignorance 1498 00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:26,570 is bliss and that's what I think the 1499 00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:28,190 system is kind of set up to do and 1500 00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:30,470 that's what I think debt does is debt is 1501 00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:33,350 just one more brick in the wall to keep 1502 00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:35,900 you from actually developing because 1503 00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:38,870 it's a huge stress on basically 1504 00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,790 everybody I mean the number one reason 1505 00:58:46,330 --> 00:58:43,280 that marriages fall apart is because of 1506 00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:46,340 paper money I mean it's a little silly I 1507 00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:47,630 think that's why I think that's an 1508 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:49,550 important piece of the puzzle to really 1509 00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:51,290 like get your head around because it 1510 00:58:55,450 --> 00:58:53,420 does affect people quite a bit well I 1511 00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:55,460 think you're right and the one thing I'd 1512 00:59:01,600 --> 00:58:59,210 say about the the debt issue is I think 1513 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:01,610 it's very true on a personal level but I 1514 00:59:05,830 --> 00:59:04,490 think balancing that out with you can 1515 00:59:07,930 --> 00:59:05,840 acknowledge that it's an uphill battle 1516 00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:07,940 and that your salmon swimming upstream 1517 00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:09,380 but that doesn't mean you should stop 1518 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:11,900 swimming and you have to you know for 1519 00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,610 yourself get to a point where you're 1520 00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:15,680 like okay I'm not stuck in this debt 1521 00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:18,080 based system of rule I see it I see that 1522 00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,880 it's very tempting to get into and once 1523 00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:21,680 it's got your hooks in once it's got its 1524 00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:23,630 hooks in it's very hard to get out but 1525 00:59:27,850 --> 00:59:26,300 you still can like you you know out an 1526 00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:27,860 individual basis don't think you're 1527 00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,480 defeated because you're up against this 1528 00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:31,760 monolith that you can't ever overcome 1529 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:34,340 you just have to be creative you just 1530 00:59:38,380 --> 00:59:36,890 have to I would agree with that and the 1531 00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:38,390 other thing that I was going to add is 1532 00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:41,300 you know the advantage of kind of 1533 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:43,550 confronting some of these things like 1534 00:59:50,530 --> 00:59:46,640 you're talking about is you also have to 1535 00:59:52,570 --> 00:59:50,540 I think separate out what is just doing 1536 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:52,580 business and what is really 1537 00:59:58,300 --> 00:59:56,450 conspiratorial because as a savvy person 1538 00:59:59,650 --> 00:59:58,310 like you couldn't have done all the 1539 01:00:02,710 --> 00:59:59,660 things that you're done with the higher 1540 01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:02,720 side chats it's not easy to do a podcast 1541 01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,180 and to be successful with it and then to 1542 01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:07,520 be financially successful that it's not 1543 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:09,860 easy to swim up I mean a lot of people 1544 01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:11,510 you talk about swimming upstream would 1545 01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,910 see that as an impossible thing and and 1546 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:15,920 yet you've done it and I think there's a 1547 01:00:21,070 --> 01:00:17,930 crossover there between we're all 1548 01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:21,080 confronted with doing tough things and 1549 01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:23,140 hard things and it doesn't help 1550 01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:25,840 to sit around and kind of worry about 1551 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:28,300 how hard it is you just kind of kind of 1552 01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:30,250 take the perspective of I'm the one 1553 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:32,140 salmon who is gonna make it up that 1554 01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:34,570 stream I think a lot of ways that's a 1555 01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:36,310 lot more empowering in a lot of ways 1556 01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,960 it's not more it's a lot more realistic 1557 01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:40,000 because we don't really know what those 1558 01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:42,070 other salmon are doing or thinking we 1559 01:00:45,690 --> 01:00:44,110 just have to be our own salmon and 1560 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:45,700 you're stuck in your own stream like 1561 01:00:49,890 --> 01:00:47,650 you're the only one responsible for your 1562 01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:49,900 rent so it really doesn't matter you 1563 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:51,400 know what your neighbors are doing or 1564 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:52,930 what they're into like we all are 1565 01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:54,370 fighting an individual fight which i 1566 01:01:00,210 --> 01:00:56,260 think is another part of the control 1567 01:01:02,580 --> 01:01:00,220 paradigm like you know it's hard to get 1568 01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:02,590 a group together it's hard to you know 1569 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:05,230 get a big revolution going when we all 1570 01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:07,810 are all fighting an individual battle 1571 01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:10,030 because no one's gonna put themselves 1572 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:11,860 out there too far because what are you 1573 01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:13,210 gonna pay my rent when I get arrested 1574 01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,030 for your cause I don't think so you know 1575 01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,160 I got to make sure I eat and not again 1576 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:21,040 is like I think it's so well-crafted 1577 01:01:25,350 --> 01:01:23,080 that's where I get conspiratorial is I 1578 01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:25,360 do think like it isn't an accident that 1579 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:27,460 it's crafted exactly like it is and it's 1580 01:01:30,750 --> 01:01:30,370 for ultimate control and it's hard to 1581 01:01:33,150 --> 01:01:30,760 control 1582 01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:33,160 six seven billion people and make sure 1583 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:34,660 that they're all doing exactly what you 1584 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:37,090 want but you can put the pressure on 1585 01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:38,890 them that most people won't rise past 1586 01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:41,230 luckily we have you know fingers crossed 1587 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:43,720 we say that way I like to say you know 1588 01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:45,610 when I moved to San Diego it was to grow 1589 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:47,500 wheat that was my big get out of jail 1590 01:01:51,870 --> 01:01:50,260 plan and I'm probably the one guy in the 1591 01:01:54,860 --> 01:01:51,880 world who couldn't make money growing 1592 01:01:57,630 --> 01:01:54,870 weed and can make money on a podcast 1593 01:01:59,730 --> 01:01:57,640 that might be an awesome way to wrap it 1594 01:02:01,560 --> 01:01:59,740 up Greg it's been absolutely super 1595 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:01,570 having you on skeptiko 1596 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:03,850 I'm sure will say and touch and find 1597 01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:06,370 other ways maybe to collaborate because 1598 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:09,180 I think that the conspiratorial 1599 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:12,070 worldview that you bring to things it 1600 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:14,530 extends far beyond what people normally 1601 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:17,170 think about just conspiracies and extend 1602 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:19,030 into these personal transformation 1603 01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:21,130 things that I'm so excited about so 1604 01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,870 awesome awesome having you on thank you 1605 01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:24,640 so much thanks for having me you know I 1606 01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,500 don't feel worthy I see your guest list 1607 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:29,160 and you know I'm just a simple-minded 1608 01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:32,290 Midwestern college dropout stoner what 1609 01:02:33,850 --> 01:02:32,710 do I know 1610 01:02:35,980 --> 01:02:33,860 but hey I 1611 01:02:37,810 --> 01:02:35,990 appreciated so much man you do the 1612 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:37,820 humble card pretty good man but I know 1613 01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:42,410 the real story okay great everybody I 1614 01:02:46,570 --> 01:02:44,150 hope you liked the video if you want 1615 01:02:48,610 --> 01:02:46,580 more please check out the website all 1616 01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:48,620 sorts of telephone consciousness science 1617 01:02:54,820 --> 01:02:51,800 neutrality skepticism many many 1618 01:02:56,670 --> 01:02:54,830 interviews or three hundred of website 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